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  • If you’ve lost Salon …

    April 11, 2016
    US politics

    The lefties at Salon have nothing positive to say about Hillary! and the state of her coronation — I mean, campaign:

    Wisconsin represents more than just Bernie’s sixth straight win, or the likelihood of seven straight wins after Wyoming, right before New York. This political revolution, ignited by Bernie Sanders and fought for by people of all races, faiths, and ethnic backgrounds across the U.S. has been bolstered by political momentum. It’s not current delegate count or prior poll numbers, it’s unprecedented political momentum that will win Sanders the Democratic nomination.

    It’s the fact Bernie Sanders isn’t going to be interviewed by the FBI like Clinton, and also the fact Wisconsin has kept political momentum alive at a crucial time in the Democratic Primary race. Since Sanders does better against GOP competition than Clinton, he’ll win the presidency when elected Democratic nominee. Clinton’s “FBI Primary” is around the corner and Wisconsin symbolizes the continuation of something profound.

    Had Clinton won Wisconsin, America’s political establishment would have tried to nail the coffin shut on a political movement that is just getting started. Had Bernie lost Wisconsin, the naysayers would gleefully have remarked that ideals and principles are nice, but FBI investigations and Iraq votes define pragmatism. In short, Wisconsin kept the flame alive, despite attempts by DNC and progressive naysayers in the media (you know who they are, the same people who can’t stand H. A. Goodman) to dim the lights.

    Thus, the “adults” in the room, as they like to be called, must come to the realization that Clinton isn’t only battling the FBI, but also Bernie Sanders and millions of voters opposed to status quo politics. In addition, this movement is bolstered by women and younger voters.

    82% of voters ages 18-29 went to Bernie Sanders in Wisconsin.

    66% of voters 30-44 went to Sanders.

    Sure, but the older, more experienced voter chose Clinton, right?

    Well, Clinton only won voters 45-64 by a margin of 54% to 46%.

    Most importantly, 57% of voters were female, and the women of Wisconsin sided with Bernie Sanders over Clinton, 50% to 49%.

    50% of female voters chose Bernie Sanders.

    49% of female voters sided with Clinton.

    The smartest people in the room also never imagined Bernie Sanders would be raising more money than Hillary Clinton. The professional “inevitability press” failed to predict Bernie Sanders battling a political juggernaut and former Secretary of State in April of 2016, and certainly never predicted Sanders would have earned over 1,000 pledged delegates at this point.

    Political momentum from Wisconsin will result in even more money for the Sanders campaign. Bernie’s ability to outraise even Hillary Clinton is highlighted in a U.S. News & World Report piece titled “Bernie Sanders: the Fundraising Front-Runner”:

    Say what you will about the viability of Sen. Bernie Sanders’ candidacy at this stage in the campaign. He is an undisputed fundraising machine.
    Sanders raised $43.5 million in February, according to filings to the Federal Election Commission, more than any candidate in either party.

    Yes, the “undisputed fundraising machine” has raised “more money than any candidate in either party.” With all of Clinton’s Wall Street ties and prison lobbyist donors, Bernie Sanders soundly defeats the former Secretary of State and other Republicans in terms of fundraising.

    Bernie’s Wisconsin victory will no doubt add even more money to the Sanders campaign. Like the inability of pundits to predict his ascent in national polls, and the Vermont Senator’s current political momentum, establishment critics never predicted the cascade of money flowing to Bernie Sanders. An article in The Washington Post titled “Bernie Sanders outraises Hillary Clinton for third consecutive month” highlights what poll numbers can’t tell you:

    Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’s fundraising juggernaut outraised Hillary Clinton’s campaign in March, surpassing her for the third consecutive month.
    Clinton announced on Monday that her campaign had raised $29.5 million for the month compared with the $44 million raised by the Sanders campaign. Sanders’s March fundraising haul surpasses the campaign’s own record-setting $43.3 million raised in February.
    Sanders has made a point to raise a vast majority of his money from small-dollar contributors who donate online — an average of $27 each, according to the campaign. He has also criticized Clinton for devoting time to fundraising from the wealthy.

    “What this campaign is doing is bringing together millions of people contributing an average of just $27 each to take on a billionaire class which is so used to buying elections,” Sanders said in a statement on Friday. “Working people standing together are going to propel this campaign to the Democratic nomination and then the White House.”

    With an average of only $27, the Sanders campaign has outraised everyone in 2016. Not only has Sanders defeated Clinton in six straight contests, but he’s raised more money in three consecutive months.

    While Bernie Sanders just won Wisconsin and will continue to outraise everyone else, Hillary Clinton must contend with the FBI. Years from now, somebody will be reading this and wondering how Americans could possibly vote for a person at risk of DOJ indictments. Yes, future readers, as of today establishment Democrats still think Clinton’s experience overshadows an FBI investigation.

    I explain what Hillary Clinton thinks of the FBI in the following YouTube segment.

    Nonetheless, there are people questioning the logic of voting for a person linked to an FBI investigation. An article by Ronald J. Sievert in USA Today titled “Hillary’s ‘classified’ smokescreen hides real crime” highlights the case for DOJ indictment:

    Law makes clear DOJ should prosecute Clinton for mishandling ‘national defense information,’ classified or not.

    Since the beginning of the Clinton email scandal, the nation has been subjected to a political and criminal defense generated smokescreen. The Clinton campaign has attempted to make the public believe that she is not guilty of anything because the information on her very unprotected server was not “marked as classified” or “classified at the time.”

    The applicable statute, 18 USC 793, however, does not even once mention the word “classified.” The focus is on “information respecting the national defense” that potentially “could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.” 793 (f) specifically makes it a crime for anyone “entrusted with … any document … or information relating to the national defense … through gross negligence (to permit) the same to be removed from its proper place of custody.” A jury (not a Democrat or Republican political administration) is, of course, the best body to determine gross negligence on the facts of this case.

    The courts have held repeatedly that “national defense information” includes closely held military, foreign policy and intelligence information and that evidence that the information is classified is not necessary for a prosecution.

    Evidence that the information was upon later review found to be classified, however, as is the case with approximately 2,000 Clinton messages, is of course one kind of proof that the information met the test of “national defense information” in the first place. (See U.S. v. Rosen and Weissman, 445 F. Supp. 2d 602 (E.D. Va. 2006) pertaining to a different provision but containing a good summary of law on national defense information and classified information.)

    The fact that the information does not have to be “marked classified” at the time only makes sense because sometimes, as in the case of the Clinton case and other 793 cases, the information is originated and distributed before any security officer can perform a review and put a classification mark on it.

    Finally, I explain in a recent CNN International appearance that Clinton faces potential FBI indictment. I also discuss on CNN New Day that Clinton’s email fiasco is the epitome of white privilege. Ultimately, Wisconsin just elected Bernie Sanders president, and the momentum from this win will lead to further landmark victories. While Bernie is raising more money than anyone, Clinton is facing potential FBI and DOJ indictment. Clinton’s excuses regarding retroactive classification won’t impress the FBI and very soon, Bernie Sanders will be the official Democratic front-runner. Wisconsin continued the momentum at a critical point and helped elect President Bernie Sanders.

    I don’t know who “H.A. Goodman” is, but clearly H.A. doesn’t lack for self-esteem or for making predictions that aren’t based on solid evidence. Goodman appears to not grasp that should Hillary! be indicted, there is Joe Biden ready to step up and succeed her. Goodman also appears to not grasp that Democratic National Committee leadership do not support Sanders. Hillary!, remember, failed to be elected president the last time she ran.

    If you think Goodman is crazy, consider this from Politico, reported Tuesday before Wisconsin primary results were released:

    Bernie Sanders will surpass Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton in pledged delegates and emerge as the nominee at a contested convention, his campaign said Tuesday.

    Sanders has vowed to win Wisconsin, New York and, ultimately, the nomination, but his campaign is pushing back on the notion that either state is a must-win. The Vermont senator holds a narrow lead over Clinton in Wisconsin, according to a RealClearPolitics average of state polls, but trails her by 11 percentage points in New York.

    “We’ve mapped out a path to victory in our campaign in terms of delegates — pledged delegates — and we don’t have to win everywhere, but we do have to win most of the states coming up,” Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver told MSNBC on Tuesday. “So there’s no one state that’s a must-win, and as we look forward we’re gonna be able to accumulate the delegates we need to get the pledged delegate lead by the end of this primary and caucus process.”

    Clinton has a 263-pledged-delegate lead over Sanders. But factoring in superdelegates, who are free to support any candidate at the Democratic convention, Clinton’s advantage surges by 438 delegates. The Sanders campaign has maintained that superdelegates should shift their support to match the popular vote and rejected the “funny math” that suggests Sanders can’t win.

    “He is winning by these gigantic margins, and that’s gonna allow him to catch up to the secretary,” Weaver said on CNN’s “New Day.”

    Weaver said it’s highly unlikely either candidate will garner 2,383 pledged delegates to win the nomination. Superdelegates “don’t count until they vote, and they don’t vote until we get to the convention,” Weaver argued. “So when we arrive at the convention, it will be an open convention, likely with neither candidate having a majority of pledged delegates. So I think it’ll be an interesting Democratic convention.”

    After more than a century without a single contested convention, imagine two contested conventions this summer.

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  • Presty the DJ for April 11

    April 11, 2016
    Music

    The number one single today in 1954:

    Today in 1964, the Billboard Hot 100 could have been called the Beatles 14 and the non-Beatles 86, topped by …

    The number one single today in 1970:

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  • Presty the DJ for April 10

    April 10, 2016
    Music

    The number one single today in 1965:

    The number one album today in 1976 was Peter Frampton’s “Frampton Comes Alive,” the best selling live album in rock music history:

    The number one album today in 1993 was Depeche Mode’s “Songs of Faith and Devotion”:

    Birthdays start with one-hit wonder Sheb Wooley:

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  • Presty the DJ for April 9

    April 9, 2016
    Music

    The number 15 British song today in 1966 was written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards:

    The number one single today in 1966:

    The number one single today in 1977:

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  • The fictional Big Ten and Badgers

    April 8, 2016
    Badgers, Culture, media

    A month ago I blogged here about fiction and fictional characters set in Wisconsin.

    This sort-of sequel considers the University of Wisconsin, and its Big Ten, or Televen, or T1e2n, or now T1e4n, as characters within TV series. Apparently there is a considerable collection of such exercises, one of which I saw online, forcing me to look for others. Though I watch little TV, readers can determine whether these depictions of my alma mater are accurate.

    The opinions expressed here obviously are based in part on a school’s likability, or not, to impartial observers. Buzzfeed wrote a guide to rooting for Big Ten football teams, which placed Wisconsin third behind Missedagain and O!S!U! a few years ago:

    Pros:
    – Recruit anonymous players. Turn them into beasts who crush bigger-name teams en route to Rose Bowl. Repeat.
    – “Jump Around” tradition is killer.
    – You feel for their fans after their meatheaded but successful coach, Bret Bielema, straight-up jumped ship and went to Arkansas.
    – Big on tradition and continuity, but had the brains and flexibility to pick up Russell Wilson for his last year of eligibility.
    – The Onion started in Madison.

    Cons:
    – Likely headed back to period of also-ran status beneath Michigan and OSU.
    – Not really any other cons now that Meatbrain Bielema is gone. Good tradition, team that perennially maximizes talent and plays grade-A football that’s sound but exciting — this is a good program for any uncommitted fan to get behind.

    I don’t watch “Game of Thrones,” but apparently Wisconsin is, according to 10Worthy …

    ARYA STARK

    Spunky, brave and kind of badass, much like a Wisconsin badger

    “Game of Thrones” sort of supplanted “Mad Men” as must-see non-network TV, so Hammer & Rails decided on …

    Wisconsin Badgers = Stan Rizzo

    In both football and basketball Wisconsin puts forth a tough, hard-nosed attitude that often works well. They’re brash and will run you over in football while in basketball they aren’t afraid to ugly it up and win 45-42. Stan is the guy in the office that walks around with his biceps showing and a general “Come at me, Bro” attitude, at least as much as one can do that in 1966.

    Still, as good as Stan is, he can easily be forgotten. People forget about Wisconsin at their peril. Stan is an ultimately likeable character, and I have to say I like Wisconsin’s work ethic.

    … which is praise coming from a Purdue writer.

    I don’t watch “House of Cards” either, but Sherman Ave. does, and decided on …

    Wisconsin – Edward Meechum: We know you wanna be good at sports and smart, but sleeping with the top dogs will get you nowhere. They don’t care about you. You’re a pawn in their game. Don’t be a Meechum, Wisco. You’ll get there eventually. Always on the periphery, never top dog, but certainly one to hobnob with them–Edward Meechum suits Wisconsin to a T.  Also does not know how to hold his liquor.

    That last sentence will provoke disagreement among true Wisconsinites.

    Indeed, Wisconsin seems to come up often for characters that enjoy food, drink and, uh, other substances, particularly in group settings. If Big Ten schools were Harry Potter characters, according to Her Campus, Wisconsin would be …

    Ron Weasley loves to eat food. If Ron Weasley knew what cheese curds were, he would be all about them. Ron has his shining moments throughout the series, but he’s never the star. He puts forth a solid effort. UW-Madison has consistently good records and we’re a dependable team to root for, just like Ron.

    And according to The Big Lead …

    … Wisconsin is Barney Gumble, although someone else on Reddit suggested …

    Barry Huffman, known mostly by his working name Duffman, is the mascot and spokesman for the Duff Beer company.

    … who has his own theme song:

    As for “Family Guy,” according to No Coast Bias …

    Brian Griffin is Wisconsin
    Brian is opinionated, liberal and a bit out of an outcast in his environment… much like the city of Madison is in the Midwest. As an example, his views on legalizing marijuana seem to be shared by the students of Wisconsin. Despite all that, Brian has proven to be a strong character that can carry the rest of the group when they are off their game. And, of course, he likes to party.

    Speaking of partying, Sherman Ave. returns with “Parks and Recreation”:

    University of Wisconsin as Tom Haverford

    “Oh, what’s this in my shoe? Red carpet insole. Everywhere I go, I’m walking on red carpet.”

    Tom’s boyishness and naivety would make him feel right at home at Wisconsin. However, no one can deny that both know how to throw down.

    (That’s naïveté, by the way.)

    Speaking of food, The Champaign Room compared Big Ten schools to fast-food franchises, and the Wisconsin pick is obvious …

    The obvious answer is usually obvious for a reason. Created out of essentially nothing in the middle of Wisconsin in the mid-80s, somehow grew into a regional powerhouse through the vision of one man (George Culver/Barry Alvarez). Primarily based on making things gigantic and fat (Butterburgers and custard/immovable offensive linemen). A good enough formula that tends to overreach and not quite make that final big step (too pricey/three Rose Bowl losses in a row).

    … though incorrectly described, unless you seriously prefer Taco Bell, Arby’s, Subway, Long John Silver’s, McDonald’s, Wendy’s, KFC, Sonic (good luck finding one since, like Krispy Kreme the company overexpanded and opened, then closed, numerous stores), Portillo’s (which I’ve never heard of), Five Guys, Jack in the Box, Rax (see Portillo’s) or White Castle to Culver’s, in which case I question your judgment.

    Land-Grant Holy Land didn’t make a particularly pleasant choice of “Arrested Development” character …

    Wisconsin: Lucille Bluth

    Barry Alvarez is the shadow emperor of the Big Ten. Their very existence is sort of a loud-mouthed one. Their fans (and band) are pretty much always drunk before noon, and their last coach was basically always saying stuff that seemed to get him into trouble. They’re rather materialistic in their ambitions, but they’re also never really willing to work hard enough to get what they want (see: their non-conference schedule).

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    … apparently because it was written by an Ohio State graduate.

    I loathe “Grey’s Anatomy” (and once wrote online that I wish the series would end with every character getting killed off), but I don’t think Odyssey is being complimentary either:

    14. University of Wisconsin as Jackson Avery
    They seem to skate by in life and get everything handed to them, but both this character and the school know what’s good. Jackson, like students from Wisconsin, is a total “guy’s guy,” but also a great person.

    “They seem to skate by in life and get everything handed to them” reminds me of no one I know from this state.

    My favorite, and I’m sure yours, is from “The Office” by way of Odyssey again:

    Jim Halpert

    Badgers. Beets. Battlestar Galactica. Hot, smart, witty-you’re the complete package. Your Midwestern charm combined with your no-f*cks attitude puts you at the top of the list. You have the natural ability to win over the hearts of many, especially when you’re the situational underdog. Some may find it a tad fishy that a U of M student such as myself would award a rival with the ‘Big Tuna’ label. However, the deed had to be done.

    “Hot, smart, witty — you’re the complete package.” And I’m modest too.

     

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  • “For three and the win …”

    April 8, 2016
    media, Sports

    Deadspin has every reported U.S. call, and two foreign-broadcaster calls, of the finish of Monday’s NCAA Division I men’s basketball championship game.

    This play henceforth shall be called “Villanova” or “Nova” by every coach who uses it. And it’s a good play, because the ball-handler ends up acting as an additional screen for the shooter. Even though the point guard was apparently the designated shooter, I think it works better with the inbounder and trail guy taking the shot.

    TBS extended its Team Stream — featuring team-biased announcers — to the national championship, which is great, and should be emulated by all pro and Division I college sports broadcasters.

    To no one’s surprise Villanova’s announcers were bigger fans of the finish than North Carolina’s. I don’t know that if I were the Tar Heel announcer I’d go to dead silence, but given the audience it isn’t necessarily inappropriate. Nearly always on TV less is more.

    (I got to call a buzzer-beater that went the wrong way this college basketball season. What I should have said was something like “this was a great game … for 39 minutes and 59 seconds.”)

    As for Villanova radio …

    The one thing that got somewhat ignored in the frenetic finish was that the final shot had to be reviewed by the officials, even though the confetti and streamer bombs had been fired off already. Imagine what would have happened had officials waved off the shot. Before overtime would have been played, the floor would have had to have been cleaned off of all the debris.

    The postgame interview is a sad moment. TBS’ Craig Sager has leukemia, which is no longer in remission, meaning this may be the final Final Four he gets to work.

     

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  • Presty the DJ for April 8

    April 8, 2016
    Music

    Today in 1967, John Lennon took his Rolls–Royce to J.P. Fallon Ltd. in Surrey, England, to see if it could paint the car in psychedelic colors. The result three months later:

    The number one single today in 1973:

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  • Wisconsin’s dump of Trump

    April 7, 2016
    media, US politics, Wisconsin politics

    Christian Schneider on The Donald:

    Up until this week, Trump had been a tsunami, gathering size and strength as he moved closer to the Republican nomination. A Trump nomination would drown the party’s chances of winning the presidency, keeping the U.S. Senate and could even put Republicans’ historic majority in the U.S. House in play. Clinton couldn’t have planned it better herself.

    But then Wisconsin happened.

    On Tuesday, like parents scolding a young child, Republican voters in Wisconsin sent Trump to sit in the corner to think about the damage he had done. Ted Cruz’s landslide victory in Tuesday’s primary deeply wounded Trump’s chances of earning enough delegates to win the nomination at the party’s convention in July and exposed Trump’s dreadful lack of judgment for voters in upcoming states. As New Yorker writer Ryan Lizza put it on Twitter, Wisconsinites are now the GOP’s “designated drivers.”

    In the days leading up to Tuesday’s primary, pundits had been saying Trump imploded in Wisconsin, which drove his negatives higher and fueled his flaccid showing. But this is wrong. Trump, in fact, behaved in Wisconsin the same way he had in every other state. In the past two weeks, he was just as boorish, poorly informed and vulgar as he has been for the previous year, only this time, he ran up against two weeks of uninterrupted coverage in a state where conservatives can spot a phony.

    Perhaps the worst sideshow in Trump’s parade of cluelessness through Wisconsin was attacking Gov. Scott Walker, for whom conservatives have spent five years walking over hot coals to defend. At one point, Trump even rapped Walker for not having raised taxes to give to schools and highways — which is a bit like strolling into a Weight Watchers meeting chowing down on a double Whopper with cheese. Often, Trump would use anti-Walker facts and figures provided by Wisconsin Democrats; when Republicans heard him blame Walker for phony state “deficits,” they likely had flashbacks to the union protests of 2011.

    To his credit, Cruz took advantage of other candidates dropping out of the field, quickly gathering their support. But Cruz’s support is still milquetoast among state GOP voters; it remains to be seen how much of the Cruz vote was “stop Trump” and how much was real enthusiasm.

    Cruz has a 58% approval rating among Wisconsin Republicans. Compare that to the 84% approval enjoyed by Scott Walker and Paul Ryan’s 75% approval. In fact, many Wisconsin voters may have simply voted for Cruz thinking it was the best way to get to an open convention where the wildly popular Paul Ryan could step in and become the party’s nominee.

    But all those machinations are for another day. For now, Wisconsin can take pride in being the state that stood athwart the tide and yelled “Stop!”

    On Tuesday, Wisconsin Republicans slapped Donald Trump with a restraining order — now it’s up to the remaining states to enforce it.

    William F. Buckley Jr., perhaps the only person in American history to use “athwart” in a sentence, was no fan of Trump, as you know.

    Trump’s bizarre on-the-stump behavior is apparently making an increasing number of people wonder how serious he really is in running. Stephanie Cegielski, formerly of the Make America Great super-PAC, wrote …

    You can give Trump the biggest gift possible if you are a Trump supporter: stop supporting him.

    He doesn’t want the White House. He just wants to be able to say that he could have run the White House. He’s achieved that already and then some. If there is any question, take it from someone who was recruited to help the candidate succeed, and initially very much wanted him to do so.

    … which made Richard Zombeck conclude:

    Donald Trump does not want to be president. In fact, he never wanted to be president. His entire campaign has been a long con and a ruse to strengthen his brand and feed his ego. ..

    So let’s assume that all of that is true. Donald Trump can’t just quit. After all, he’s Donald Trump. The next logical step would be to take a fall — possibly losing the nomination by a small margin. But again, if you’re Donald Trump you don’t lose. If you’re Donald Trump and want to get out while still maintaining your brand and your dignity, you play the long game and come out looking like a victim. In a sense, you spin it so that your supporters think you’re so accurate in your assessment of the world that it frightens the establishment into shutting you down — you’re that powerful.

    Over the course of the last week, Trump has made headlines and drawn attention by doing and saying things that are completely contrary to what anyone would consider sane.

    Trump’s conversation with Chris Matthews on MSNBC about abortion was just the beginning. During the interview he told Matthews that women who seek abortion should be punished — a stance even the hardliners in the GOP think is preposterous. Not to mention, women are the largest demographic in this country. There is no path to nomination without their support. Why would anyone alienate them?

    Speaking of women, Trump completely fumbled the issue of his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who was criminally charged for an altercation with a reporter. Rather than remain impartial or simply fire the staffer, Trump instead impugned the character of the reporter who was manhandled by Lewandowski.

    Later that week while speaking at an event in Wisconsin, Trump told the audience that the Geneva Conventions hinder our efforts. The Geneva Conventions are made up of four treaties, most of which cover the humane treatment of enemy combatants and civilians.

    “The problem,” Trump said, “is we have the Geneva Conventions, all sorts of rules and regulations, so the soldiers are afraid to fight. We can’t waterboard, but they can chop off heads. I think we’ve got to make some changes.” Trump also suggested that South Korea and Japan be allowed access to nuclear weapons, a suggestion that deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said would be “catastrophic.”

    “The entire premise of American foreign policy as it relates to nuclear weapons for the past 70 years has been focused on preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons to additional states,” Rhodes said.

    Trump also said he would not be opposed to using nuclear weapons in the Middle East or in Europe, during the above-mentioned interview with Chris Matthews. …

    Adding whipped cream to this well-crafted sundae of incompetence and ignorance, Trump called in to a conservative Wisconsin radio show and blasted Gov. Scott Walker.

    But you had a $2.2 billion budget deficit and the schools were going begging and everything was going begging because he [Walker] didn’t want to raise taxes because he was going to run for president. So instead of raising taxes he cut back on schools, he cut back on highways, cut back on a lot of things. And that’s why…Wisconsin has a problem.

    The host of the show, Charlie Sykes, is probably one of the most influential voices in Wisconsin’s talk radio arena. Sykes is also so strongly opposed to Trump that he’s vowed never to support him in any election. This is clearly something Trump had to have known going into the interview. It’s hard to believe he didn’t.

    The cherry on the aforementioned sundae? Wisconsin is home of 42 delegates. All of which are up for grabs and could potentially put Trump closer to the nomination. Rather than appear himself, he sent Sarah Palin. One more time: He sent Sarah Palin. The Huffington Post reported:

    Palin’s speech at a Republican gathering in Milwaukee  fell flat and earned little applause from about 750 attendees, according to the Journal Times. The Washington Post’s Philip Rucker reported that Palin got some laughs when she said, “Trump talks rationally.”

    And in that same speech—the one in which she claims that Trump talks rationally—she said this about Trump’s opponents:

    What the heck are you thinking, candidates? What the heck are you thinking when you’re actually asking for more immigrants — even illegal immigrants, welcoming them in.  Even inducing and seducing them with gift baskets: “Come on over the border and here’s a gift basket of teddy bears and soccer balls.”

    Trump is no dummy and is not known for making stupid mistakes. Yes, he’s brash, uncouth, and maybe even ignorant on many issues, but he is not stupid.

    Trump started the layout’s role of victim on Fox News last week. On Friday during a phone interview, Donald Trump, when asked about his comments on MSNBC, said, “You really ought to hear the whole thing. I mean, this is a long convoluted question. This was a long discussion, and they just cut it out. And, frankly, it was extremely — it was really convoluted.”

    MSNBC quickly responded with a statement, saying, “The town hall interview with Donald Trump was taped in advance and then aired in its entirety. Absolutely no part of the exchange between Trump and Chris Matthews was edited out.”

    Even Chris Wallace, during a “Fox News Sunday“ interview, asked Trump, “Are you in the process of blowing your campaign for president?” …

    Republican strategist Cheri Jacobus, who had met with Trump about becoming their communications director, confirms most of this, telling the National Review:

    I believe Trump senses he is in over his head and doesn’t really want the nomination. He wanted to help his brand and have fun, but not to be savaged by the Clintons if he’s the candidate. He wouldn’t mind falling short of a delegate majority, losing the nomination, and then playing angry celebrity victim in the coming years.

    What began as a con will end as a con. Trump will continue to make bombastic, ludicrous and inane comments, proving to the media—who are all too eager to give him all the attention he wants—that he is wholly unqualified for the job. Other republicans will chastise him for the things that he says, proving to his followers that he is being targeted by an establishment that is afraid of him. Trump will walk away unscathed, his brand strengthened and his dignity intact. He will be the guy who nearly became president, but was too much for people to take. In many ways and on many levels nothing could be more accurate.

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  • Our partisan cold civil war

    April 7, 2016
    US politics

    UCLA Prof. Lynn Vavreck:

    Americans are angry. That’s the sentiment that many believe is driving the 2016 election. They are angry because the rich are getting richer, the average guy is struggling and the government in Washington hasn’t done anything to stop the trend.

    But it may not be that simple.

    Data on the nation’s economic recovery, people’s reactions to current economic conditions and their overall sense of satisfaction with life doesn’t suggest Americans are angry. In fact, historical measures indicate people are about as happy and satisfied with the economy and with their lives as they were in 1983 when Ronald Reagan told us it was “morning again in America.”

    If that’s the case, why does it feel more like a 1 a.m. bar brawl?

    The answer may have more to do with political parties than economics, or at least with the interaction of the two. Today’s voters have sorted themselves and polarized into partisan groups that look very different than they did in the late 1980s. To make matters worse, members of each side like the other side less than they did before. Americans aren’t annoyed only by the economy; they’re also annoyed with each other.

    Objective economic conditions measured by the Federal Reserve suggest that the nation’s recovery from the Great Recession began in 2010, when gross domestic product began to expand, unemployment began to fall and real disposable income began to increase. By 2015, the misery index — a combined measure of unemployment and inflation — was about as low as it had been since the 1950s, which means there was an active demand for goods and services along with low unemployment and inflation.

    Most Americans seemed to appreciate this growth. Data on the Index of Consumer Sentiment, one of the longest-running measures of Americans’ views of the economy, show that by the end of 2015, consumer sentiment was as positive as it had been in the mid-2000s and mid-1980s. It was nearly identical to where it was at the end of 1983, when Mr. Reagan’s re-election romp — based almost entirely on the victory over stagflation — began to take shape.

    Even breaking the consumer sentiment data down by income levels does little to buoy the argument that Americans were pessimistic. From 2009-2015, the average gap in economic satisfaction between the upper and lower thirds of the income distribution was 13.7 points, much lower than it was during the Reagan years (21.3) and lower than the gap during the administrations of George H.W. Bush (14.7), Bill Clinton (16.7) and George W. Bush (18.4).

    As we entered 2016, Americans — of all income levels — felt positively about the economy even though by some indicators many people had not recovered their losses. The employment-population ratio and median household income, for example, had only begun to recover in 2015.

     

    To get a sense of whether these economic factors were affecting the general mood of the nation in a way not captured by consumer sentiment, I examined one of the longest-standing measures of general happiness. Since 1972, the General Social Survey has asked people to “take things all together” and rate their level of happiness. The 40-year trend shows only modest changes — and may actually suggest a small increase in happiness in recent years.

    Describing Americans’ mood as distinctively angry in 2015 elides this evidence. Americans were optimistic about the nation’s economy and generally happy — in fact, no less optimistic or happy than they had been historically.

    But there was an increasing sense in the fall and winter of 2015 that many Americans were filled with contempt. Using analytic tools provided by Crimson Hexagon, I calculated the average monthly increase in the share of news articles about the 2016 election that contained the word “angry.” Between November 2015 and March 2016, the share of stories about angry voters increased by 200 percent. Where was the sense of gloom coming from?

    Some evidence suggests that the ire was derived directly from politics. When asked by various pollsters about trusting the government, the direction of the country, American progress or the president, Americans were gloomy — gloomier than their economic assessments might have predicted. When broken out by party, these pessimistic views reveal a growing partisan divide, one that has been distilling around racial attitudes for nearly two decades.

    The increasing alignment between party and racial attitudes goes back to the early 1990s. The Pew Values Survey asks people whether they agree that “we should make every effort to improve the position of minorities, even if it means giving them preferential treatment.”

    Over time, Americans’ party identification has become more closely aligned with answers to this question and others like it. Pew reports that, “since 1987, the gap on this question between the two parties has doubled — from 18 points to 40 points.” Democrats are now much more supportive (52 percent) of efforts to improve racial equality than they were a few decades ago, while the views of Republicans have been largely unchanged (12 percent agree).

    That Democrats and Republicans have different views on issues — even issues about race and rights — is not surprising. But recent work by Stanford University’s Shanto Iyengar and his co-authors shows something else has been brewing in the electorate: a growing hostility toward members of the opposite party. This enmity, they argue, percolates into opinions about everyday life.

    Partisans, for example, are now more concerned that their son or daughter might marry someone of the opposite party (compared with Britain today and the United States in 1960). They also found that partisans are surprisingly willing to discriminate against people who are not members of their political party.

    We’ve entered an age of party-ism.

    Writing in The Washington Post, Michael Tesler, a University of California, Irvine, political scientist, explained that because the growing partisan divide is partly fueled by racial attitudes, partisans (in Washington and in the electorate) also take increasingly opposite positions on many racially inflected controversies.

    Some are squarely political like police misconduct. But others spill over into areas like sports, music and movies, which we often think of as more social than political. Disagreements between people about nominations for the Academy Awards, for example, may now become emotional as well as political if they involve racial attitudes because of the sorting of these attitudes by party and the contempt people feel for the other side.

    Democrats and Republicans like each other a lot less now than they did 60 years ago in part because they have sorted into parties based on attitudes on race, religion and ethnicity. These attitudes and emotions have been activated in the lead-up to the 2016 election, sometimes by terrorist violence and other times by candidate language itself. Add to this mix the fact that the country is becoming less white and that nonwhites are disproportionately more likely to be Democrats, and an explanation for the anger that filled the air in 2015 emerges.

    Vavreck terms this as a Republican vs. Democrat thing, when if you’ve been reading social media comments over Donald Trump it’s a Republican vs. Republican (as self-described) thing too. There is less hate between Democratic supporters of Hillary! and Comrade Sanders, but it shows up on occasion as well.

    You will not be surprised that the vast majority of the comments blame Republicans for this, thus proving Vavreck’s point. It is impossible to imagine how this will go away. It is hard to imagine that the hate will not spiral until, sometime this year, a political candidate or supporter (or maybe more than one) will be assassinated by someone from the other side.

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  • Presty the DJ for April 7

    April 7, 2016
    Music

    Today in 1956, the CBS Radio Network premiered Alan Freed’s “Rock and Roll Dance Party.”

    The number one single today in 1958:

    Today in 1962, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards met someone who called himself Elmo Lewis. His real name was Brian Jones.

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The thoughts of a journalist/libertarian–conservative/Christian husband, father, Eagle Scout and aficionado of obscure rock music. Thoughts herein are only the author’s and not necessarily the opinions of his family, friends, neighbors, church members or past, present or future employers.

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    • About, or, Who is this man?
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    • Adventures in ruralu0026nbsp;inkBack in June 2009, I was driving somewhere through a rural area. And for some reason, I had a flashback to two experiences in my career about that time of year many years ago. In 1988, eight days after graduating from the University of Wisconsin, I started work at the Grant County Herald Independent in Lancaster as a — well, the — reporter. Four years after that, on my 27th birthday, I purchased, with a business partner, the Tri-County Press in Cuba City, my first business venture. Both were experiences about which Wisconsin author Michael Perry might write. I thought about all this after reading a novel, The Deadline, written by a former newspaper editor and publisher. (Now who would write a novel about a weekly newspaper?) As a former newspaper owner, I picked at some of it — why finance a newspaper purchase through the bank if the seller is willing to finance it? Because the mean bank lender is a plot point! — and it is much more interesting than reality, but it is very well written, with a nicely twisting plot, and quite entertaining, again more so than reality. There is something about that first job out of college that makes you remember it perhaps more…
    • Adventures in radioI’ve been in the full-time work world half my life. For that same amount of time I’ve been broadcasting sports as a side interest, something I had wanted to since I started listening to games on radio and watching on TV, and then actually attending games. If you ask someone who’s worked in radio for some time about the late ’70s TV series “WKRP in Cincinnati,” most of them will tell you that, if anything, the series understated how wacky working in radio can be. Perhaps the funniest episode in the history of TV is the “WKRP” episode, based on a true story, about the fictional radio station’s Thanksgiving promotion — throwing live turkeys out of a helicopter under the mistaken belief that, in the words of WKRP owner Arthur Carlson, “As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.” [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST01bZJPuE0] I’ve never been involved in anything like that. I have announced games from the roofs of press boxes (once on a nice day, and once in 50-mph winds), from a Mississippi River bluff (more on that later), and from the front row of the second balcony of the University of Wisconsin Fieldhouse (great view, but not a place to go if…
    • “Good morning/afternoon/evening, ________ fans …”
    • My biggest storyEarlier this week, while looking for something else, I came upon some of my own work. (I’m going to write a blog someday called “Things I Found While Looking for Something Else.” This is not that blog.) The Grant County Sheriff’s Department, in the county where I used to live, has a tribute page to the two officers in county history who died in the line of duty. One is William Loud, a deputy marshal in Cassville, shot to death by two bank robbers in 1912. The other is Tom Reuter, a Grant County deputy sheriff who was shot to death at the end of his 4 p.m.-to-midnight shift March 18, 1990. Gregory Coulthard, then a 19-year-old farmhand, was convicted of first-degree intentional homicide and is serving a life sentence, with his first eligibility for parole on March 18, 2015, just 3½ years from now. I’ve written a lot over the years. I think this, from my first two years in the full-time journalism world, will go down as the story I remember the most. For journalists, big stories contain a paradox, which was pointed out in CBS-TV’s interview of Andy Rooney on his last “60 Minutes” Sunday. Morley Safer said something along the line…
  • Food and drink
    • The Roesch/Prestegard familyu0026nbsp;cookbookFrom the family cookbook(s) All the families I’m associated with love to eat, so it’s a good thing we enjoy cooking. The first out-of-my-house food memory I have is of my grandmother’s cooking for Christmas or other family occasions. According to my mother, my grandmother had a baked beans recipe that she would make for my mother. Unfortunately, the recipe seems to have  disappeared. Also unfortunately, my early days as a picky, though voluminous, eater meant I missed a lot of those recipes made from such wholesome ingredients as lard and meat fat. I particularly remember a couple of meals that involve my family. The day of Super Bowl XXXI, my parents, my brother, my aunt and uncle and a group of their friends got together to share lots of food and cheer on the Packers to their first NFL title in 29 years. (After which Jannan and I drove to Lambeau Field in the snow,  but that’s another story.) Then, on Dec. 31, 1999, my parents, my brother, my aunt and uncle and Jannan and I (along with Michael in utero) had a one-course-per-hour meal to appropriately end years beginning with the number 1. Unfortunately I can’t remember what we…
    • SkålI was the editor of Marketplace Magazine for 10 years. If I had to point to one thing that demonstrates improved quality of life since I came to Northeast Wisconsin in 1994, it would be … … the growth of breweries and  wineries in Northeast Wisconsin. The former of those two facts makes sense, given our heritage as a brewing state. The latter is less self-evident, since no one thinks of Wisconsin as having a good grape-growing climate. Some snobs claim that apple or cherry wines aren’t really wines at all. But one of the great facets of free enterprise is the opportunity to make your own choice of what food and drink to drink. (At least for now, though some wish to restrict our food and drink choices.) Wisconsin’s historically predominant ethnic group (and our family’s) is German. Our German ancestors did unfortunately bring large government and high taxes with them, but they also brought beer. Europeans brought wine with them, since they came from countries with poor-quality drinking water. Within 50 years of a wave of mid-19th-century German immigration, brewing had become the fifth largest industry in the U.S., according to Maureen Ogle, author of Ambitious Brew: The Story of American Beer. Beer and wine have…
  • Wheels
    • America’s sports carMy birthday in June dawned without a Chevrolet Corvette in front of my house. (The Corvette at the top of the page was featured at the 2007 Greater Milwaukee Auto Show. The copilot is my oldest son, Michael.) Which isn’t surprising. I have three young children, and I have a house with a one-car garage. (Then again, this would be more practical, though a blatant pluck-your-eyes-out violation of the Corvette ethos. Of course, so was this.) The reality is that I’m likely to be able to own a Corvette only if I get a visit from the Corvette Fairy, whose office is next door to the Easter Bunny. (I hope this isn’t foreshadowing: When I interviewed Dave Richter of Valley Corvette for a car enthusiast story in the late great Marketplace Magazine, he said that the most popular Corvette in most fans’ minds was a Corvette built during their days in high school. This would be a problem for me in that I graduated from high school in 1983, when no Corvette was built.) The Corvette is one of those cars whose existence may be difficult to understand within General Motors Corp. The Corvette is what is known as a “halo car,” a car that drives people into showrooms, even if…
    • Barges on fouru0026nbsp;wheelsI originally wrote this in September 2008.  At the Fox Cities Business Expo Tuesday, a Smart car was displayed at the United Way Fox Cities booth. I reported that I once owned a car into which trunk, I believe, the Smart could be placed, with the trunk lid shut. This is said car — a 1975 Chevrolet Caprice coupe (ours was dark red), whose doors are, I believe, longer than the entire Smart. The Caprice, built down Interstate 90 from us Madisonians in Janesville (a neighbor of ours who worked at the plant probably helped put it together) was the flagship of Chevy’s full-size fleet (which included the stripper Bel Air and middle-of-the-road Impala), featuring popular-for-the-time vinyl roofs, better sound insulation, an upgraded cloth interior, rear fender skirts and fancy Caprice badges. The Caprice was 18 feet 1 inch long and weighed 4,300 pounds. For comparison: The midsize Chevrolet of the ear was the Malibu, which was the same approximate size as the Caprice after its 1977 downsizing. The compact Chevrolet of the era was the Nova, which was 200 inches long — four inches longer than a current Cadillac STS. Wikipedia’s entry on the Caprice has this amusing sentence: “As fuel economy became a bigger priority among Americans…
    • Behind the wheel
    • Collecting only dust or rust
    • Coooooooooooupe!
    • Corvettes on the screen
    • The garage of misfit cars
    • 100 years (and one day) of our Chevrolets
    • They built Excitement, sort of, once in a while
    • A wagon by any otheru0026nbsp;nameFirst written in 2008. You will see more don’t-call-them-station-wagons as you drive today. Readers around my age have probably had some experience with a vehicle increasingly rare on the road — the station wagon. If you were a Boy Scout or Girl Scout, or were a member of some kind of youth athletic team, or had a large dog, or had relatives approximately your age, or had friends who needed to be transported somewhere, or had parents who occasionally had to haul (either in the back or in a trailer) more than what could be fit inside a car trunk, you (or, actually, your parents) were the target demographic for the station wagon. “Station wagons came to be like covered wagons — so much family activity happened in those cars,” said Tim Cleary, president of the American Station Wagon Owners Association, in Country Living magazine. Wagons “were used for everything from daily runs to the grocery store to long summer driving trips, and while many men and women might have wanted a fancier or sportier car, a station wagon was something they knew they needed for the family.” The “station wagon” originally was a vehicle with a covered seating area to take people between train stations…
    • Wheels on theu0026nbsp;screenBetween my former and current blogs, I wrote a lot about automobiles and TV and movies. Think of this post as killing two birds (Thunderbirds? Firebirds? Skylarks?) with one stone. Most movies and TV series view cars the same way most people view cars — as A-to-B transportation. (That’s not counting the movies or series where the car is the plot, like the haunted “Christine” or “Knight Rider” or the “Back to the Future” movies.) The philosophy here, of course, is that cars are not merely A-to-B transportation. Which disqualifies most police shows from what you’re about to read, even though I’ve watched more police video than anything else, because police cars are plain Jane vehicles. The highlight in a sense is in the beginning: The car chase in my favorite movie, “Bullitt,” featuring Steve McQueen’s 1968 Ford Mustang against the bad guys’ 1968 Dodge Charger: [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMc2RdFuOxIu0026amp;fmt=18] One year before that (but I didn’t see this until we got Telemundo on cable a couple of years ago) was a movie called “Operación 67,” featuring (I kid you not) a masked professional wrestler, his unmasked sidekick, and some sort of secret agent plot. (Since I don’t know Spanish and it’s not…
    • While riding in my Cadillac …
  • Entertainments
    • Brass rocksThose who read my former blog last year at this time, or have read this blog over the past months, know that I am a big fan of the rock group Chicago. (Back when they were a rock group and not a singer of sappy ballads, that is.) Since rock music began from elements of country music, jazz and the blues, brass rock would seem a natural subgenre of rock music. A lot of ’50s musical acts had saxophone players, and some played with full orchestras … [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CPS-WuUKUE] … but it wasn’t until the more-or-less simultaneous appearances of Chicago and Blood Sweat u0026amp; Tears on the musical scene (both groups formed in 1967, both had their first charting singles in 1969, and they had the same producer) that the usual guitar/bass/keyboard/drum grouping was augmented by one or more trumpets, a sax player and a trombone player. While Chicago is my favorite group (but you knew that already), the first brass rock song I remember hearing was BSu0026amp;T’s “Spinning Wheel” — not in its original form, but on “Sesame Street,” accompanied by, yes, a giant spinning wheel. [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi9sLkyhhlE] [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxWSOuNsN20] [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9U34uPjz-g] I remember liking Chicago’s “Just You ‘n Me” when it was released as a single, and…
    • Drive and Eat au0026nbsp;RockThe first UW home football game of each season also is the opener for the University of Wisconsin Marching Band, the world’s finest college marching band. (How the UW Band has not gotten the Sudler Trophy, which is to honor the country’s premier college marching bands, is beyond my comprehension.) I know this because I am an alumnus of the UW Band. I played five years (in the last rank of the band, Rank 25, motto: “Where Men Are Tall and Run-On Is Short”), marching in 39 football games at Camp Randall Stadium, the Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome in Minneapolis, Michigan Stadium in Ann Arbor, Memorial Stadium at the University of Illinois (worst artificial turf I had ever seen), the University of Nevada–Las Vegas’ Sam Boyd Silver Bowl, the former Dyche Stadium at Northwestern University, five high school fields and, in my one bowl game, Legion Field in Birmingham, Ala., site of the 1984 Hall of Fame Bowl. The UW Band was, without question, the most memorable experience of my college days, and one of the most meaningful experiences of my lifetime. It was the most physical experience of my lifetime, to be sure. Fifteen minutes into my first Registration…
    • Keep on rockin’ in the freeu0026nbsp;worldOne of my first ambitions in communications was to be a radio disc jockey, and to possibly reach the level of the greats I used to listen to from WLS radio in Chicago, which used to be one of the great 50,000-watt AM rock stations of the country, back when they still existed. (Those who are aficionados of that time in music and radio history enjoyed a trip to that wayback machine when WLS a Memorial Day Big 89 Rewind, excerpts of which can be found on their Web site.) My vision was to be WLS’ afternoon DJ, playing the best in rock music between 2 and 6, which meant I wouldn’t have to get up before the crack of dawn to do the morning show, yet have my nights free to do whatever glamorous things big-city DJs did. Then I learned about the realities of radio — low pay, long hours, zero job security — and though I have dabbled in radio sports, I’ve pretty much cured myself of the idea of working in radio, even if, to quote WAPL’s Len Nelson, “You come to work every day just like everybody else does, but we’re playing rock ’n’ roll songs, we’re cuttin’ up.…
    • Monday on the flight line, not Saturday in the park
    • Music to drive by
    • The rock ofu0026nbsp;WisconsinWikipedia begins its item “Music of Wisconsin” thusly: Wisconsin was settled largely by European immigrants in the late 19th century. This immigration led to the popularization of galops, schottisches, waltzes, and, especially, polkas. [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl7wCczgNUc] So when I first sought to write a blog piece about rock musicians from Wisconsin, that seemed like a forlorn venture. Turned out it wasn’t, because when I first wrote about rock musicians from Wisconsin, so many of them that I hadn’t mentioned came up in the first few days that I had to write a second blog entry fixing the omissions of the first. This list is about rock music, so it will not include, for instance, Milwaukee native and Ripon College graduate Al Jarreau, who in addition to having recorded a boatload of music for the jazz and adult contemporary/easy listening fan, also recorded the theme music for the ’80s TV series “Moonlighting.” Nor will it include Milwaukee native Eric Benet, who was for a while known more for his former wife, Halle Berry, than for his music, which includes four number one singles on the Ru0026amp;B charts, “Spend My Life with You” with Tamia, “Hurricane,” “Pretty Baby” and “You’re the Only One.” Nor will it include Wisconsin’s sizable contributions to big…
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    • The worst music of allu0026nbsp;timeThe rock group Jefferson Airplane titled its first greatest-hits compilation “The Worst of Jefferson Airplane.” Rolling Stone magazine was not being ironic when it polled its readers to decide the 10 worst songs of the 1990s. I’m not sure I agree with all of Rolling Stone’s list, but that shouldn’t be surprising; such lists are meant for debate, after all. To determine the “worst,” songs appropriate for the “Vinyl from Hell” segment that used to be on a Madison FM rock station, requires some criteria, which does not include mere overexposure (for instance, “Macarena,” the video of which I find amusing since it looks like two bankers are singing it). Before we go on: Blog posts like this one require multimedia, so if you find a song you hate on this blog, I apologize. These are also songs that I almost never listen to because my sound system has a zero-tolerance policy — if I’m listening to the radio or a CD and I hear a song I don’t like, it’s, to quote Bad Company, gone gone gone. My blonde wife won’t be happy to read that one of her favorite ’90s songs, 4 Non Blondes’ “What’s Up,” starts the list. (However,…
    • “You have the right to remain silent …”
  • Madison
    • Blasts from the Madison media past
    • Blasts from my Madison past
    • Blasts from our Madison past
    • What’s the matter with Madison?
    • Wisconsin – Madison = ?
  • Sports
    • Athletic aesthetics, or “cardinal” vs. “Big Red”
    • Choose your own announcer
    • La Follette state 1982 (u0022It was 30 years ago todayu0022)
    • The North Dakota–Wisconsin Hockey Fight of 1982
    • Packers vs. Brewers
  • Hall of Fame
    • The case(s) against teacher unions
    • The Class of 1983
    • A hairy subject, or face the face
    • It’s worse than you think
    • It’s worse than you think, 2010–11 edition
    • My favorite interview subject of all time
    • Oh look! Rural people!
    • Prestegard for president!
    • Unions vs. the facts, or Hiding in plain sight
    • When rhetoric goes too far
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